CodeWarrior 10 release information

[Ron L]

CodeWarrior Development Studio for Mac OS v10
Available only as a Download version has two versions

A free Special Edition allows for students and hobbyist to use
CodeWarrior with a limited usage license, with no technical support

The CodeWarrior Professional download is only $99 (plus shipping and
handling and applicable taxes) and will allow all former Macintosh
developers to update and archive their Mach-O and CFM/ PEF projects.

Detailed Features

General
* Mac OS X hosted
* Targets: Mac OS X (Mach-O) and Classic Mac OS (PEF)
* PowerPlant X C++ Framework for Mac OS X development with Carbon
Events, HIViews and Unicode support

Integrated Development Environment (IDE)
* Text-based xml projects (optional via user preference)
* Packager support updated so that it is no longer necessary to
make changes for packaging in multiple targets - added ability to have a
master packaging target to perform common package actions

Power Plant
* PPx can now directly deal with .nib files
* PPx can deal with SearchField, SegmentedView, TextView
(HIView-savvy replacement for MLTEView), and UserPane
* New PPx wrappers for CGClorSpace, CGDataProvider, and CGImage
* Enhanced support for the DataBrowser control
* PPxNavServices allows the addition of custom filter and preview
callbacks
* PowerPlant, PowerPlant X, and Constructor will be put into open
source.

C/C++ PowerPC Compiler 4.0
* New interprocedural analysis (IPA) for file level or whole
program optimizations
* Modified inliner for true bottom-up inlining when using IPA
* Improved template instantiation error messages
* Updated POD detection to conform to C++03 standard
* Support for out-of-line defined partial class template
specializations

Metrowerks Standard Library 11.0
* Implemented "safer" (a.k.a. "secure") library extensions being
proposed by the C0x working group
* Added a number of common POSIX reentrant functions for PEF
programming (asctime_r, ctime_r, localtime_r, gmtime_r, rand_r,
readdir_r, strerror_r, strtok_r)
* Uses a couple more Mach-O system functions for faster memcpy,
memmove, memset, memchr, and memcmp
* Mach-O Dynamic library for MSL C & MSL C++
* Fix for static destructors not working from bundles - even when
building with BSD C or using the gcc compiler
* Added ability to use move semantics (rvalue reference) for
drastic (revolutionary!) performance increases
* Added <bind> and mem_fn from the C++ TR1 addendum
* When using MSL C++ on top of BSD C (Mach-O), the standard MSL
C++ headers import items from the global namespace into the std
namespace


System Requirements
- Mac OS X v10.2.x or newer
- PowerPC G3 or greater (G4 recommended)
- 128 MB RAM
- 800 MB recommended for full installation

[brandon]

FWIW,

I have got the CW 9 x86 compiler stuff working in CW 10 for those that
are interested. Aside from just copying files from 9 to 10, there's
some changes needed in MSL_Common/Include/extras_time.h.

- remove all occurances of __std( ) leave whats between the
parenthesis of course.
- just under _MSL_BEGIN_EXTERN_C add:

#if _MSL_TIME_T_AVAILABLE
#ifndef _MSL_TIME_T_DEFINED
typedef long time_t;
#define _MSL_TIME_T_DEFINED
#endif
#endif

The few projects i tried appeared to compile/work fine after that.

[Paul]

Post by brandon
FWIW,
I have got the CW 9 x86 compiler stuff working in CW 10 for those that
are interested. Aside from just copying files from 9 to 10, there's
some changes needed in MSL_Common/Include/extras_time.h.
- remove all occurances of __std( ) leave whats between the
parenthesis of course.
#if _MSL_TIME_T_AVAILABLE
#ifndef _MSL_TIME_T_DEFINED
typedef long time_t;
#define _MSL_TIME_T_DEFINED
#endif
#endif
The few projects i tried appeared to compile/work fine after that.

Thanks Brandon, I was just about to ask that.

Where did you get it? MW's website doesn't seem to be updated yet (couldn't
find it under Downloads or Desktop tools, at least.)

Is CW10 any more stable than CW9? I had a lot more trouble with 9 than 8,
was hoping for things to improve.

[brandon]

http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Desktop/mac10

I got the link from macnn.com, though you're right, its not easily
visible from the MW site itself. The product links still point to v9
it looks like.

Anyhow, I can't really tell a difference just yet. I mostly use CW
for my Windows work at the moment. I was looking mainly to see if
there were any major IDE improvements. The only stumbling block i've
had with it at this point is that despite the Win32Debugger plugin
being present, i can't add remote debugging targets for anything other
than MetroNub. Not sure if its a trial vs. pro thing though. I'm
just checking out the trial for the moment before i drop any cash.

[Paul Russell]

Post by brandon
http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Desktop/mac10
I got the link from macnn.com, though you're right, its not easily
visible from the MW site itself. The product links still point to v9
it looks like.

Did you manage to register/activate OK ?

I just went through the process and (a) the activation page said it was
for CW 9, not CW 10 (I'm assuming this is just a typo?) and more
importantly (b) I haven't received the activation code via email yet, so
I'm just sitting here in limbo until it arrives.

Paul

[Paul Russell]

Post by Paul Russell

Post by brandon
http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Desktop/mac10
I got the link from macnn.com, though you're right, its not easily
visible from the MW site itself. The product links still point to v9
it looks like.

Did you manage to register/activate OK ?
I just went through the process and (a) the activation page said it was
for CW 9, not CW 10 (I'm assuming this is just a typo?) and more
importantly (b) I haven't received the activation code via email yet, so
I'm just sitting here in limbo until it arrives.

Just to follow up on this - the activation code eventually arrived after
a couple of hours, and it did actually work (despite the CW 9 typo on
the registration WWW page). It got caught by OS X Mail's spam filter
though, so that's something to watch out for.

Paul

[Ron L]

Post by Paul Russell

Post by brandon
http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Desktop/mac10
I got the link from macnn.com, though you're right, its not easily
visible from the MW site itself. The product links still point to v9
it looks like.

Did you manage to register/activate OK ?
I just went through the process and (a) the activation page said it was
for CW 9, not CW 10 (I'm assuming this is just a typo?) and more
importantly (b) I haven't received the activation code via email yet, so
I'm just sitting here in limbo until it arrives.

if you did not get a serial number with your order (the early orders did
not have this) then send a copy of your invoice (email message) to
***@metrowerks.com

I'll have the activation page updated soon, to shed it of the typo.

Ron

[Joachim Ante]

Does the CW 10 fix the bug with too large sym files on windows?
(The one where CW says, the sym file might be corrupted)

Joachim Ante

[Ron L]

Post by Joachim Ante
Does the CW 10 fix the bug with too large sym files on windows?
(The one where CW says, the sym file might be corrupted)
Joachim Ante

CW 10 does not have any Windows tools, we sold that technology and have
removed it from the last release of CW 9. (There is no Java either)

Ron

[Paul Russell]

Post by Ron L
if you did not get a serial number with your order (the early orders did
not have this) then send a copy of your invoice (email message) to

Hi Ron -

Thanks - I did eventually receive an activation code (it took a couple
of hours and then it got caught in Mail's junk filter).

*However*, I just upgraded to a shiny new PowerBook yesterday and when I
copied over CW10 to the new machine (including license.dat of course)
it seems that it needs to activated again. The old activation code
won't work, so preumably I have to contact MetroWerks and explain the
situation and get a new activation code. This in itself is moderately
frustrating but what /really/ worries me is that with MetroWerks' future
being somewhat uncertain (and the obvious fact that their support for
Mac will end completely in the not too distant future) there's a very
real possbility that people such as me with legacy CW projects will be
hosed if/when we need to move to a new machine and can no longer get a
new activation code ?

Paul

[Ron L]

Post by Paul Russell

Post by Ron L
if you did not get a serial number with your order (the early orders did
not have this) then send a copy of your invoice (email message) to

Hi Ron -
Thanks - I did eventually receive an activation code (it took a couple
of hours and then it got caught in Mail's junk filter).
*However*, I just upgraded to a shiny new PowerBook yesterday and when I
copied over CW10 to the new machine (including license.dat of course)
it seems that it needs to activated again.

i think the trick is to install it on the new machine and then once that
license.dat file is generated replace it with the one from your other
machine.

One other person I know of had the same problem.

If trashing it, doing an install, selecting register later, closing CW
and replacing the license.dat file does not solve this write directly to
me.

Post by Paul Russell
The old activation code
won't work, so preumably I have to contact MetroWerks and explain the
situation and get a new activation code. This in itself is moderately
frustrating but what /really/ worries me is that with MetroWerks' future
being somewhat uncertain (and the obvious fact that their support for
Mac will end completely in the not too distant future) there's a very
real possbility that people such as me with legacy CW projects will be
hosed if/when we need to move to a new machine and can no longer get a
new activation code ?

This is not tied to any machine so it should not require a second
license but even if Metrowerks goes away, Freescale will remain as will
the licensing department.

I hope that alleviates your concerns.

Ron

[Paul Russell]

Post by Ron L
i think the trick is to install it on the new machine and then once that
license.dat file is generated replace it with the one from your other
machine.
One other person I know of had the same problem.
If trashing it, doing an install, selecting register later, closing CW
and replacing the license.dat file does not solve this write directly to
me.

Post by Paul Russell
The old activation code
won't work, so preumably I have to contact MetroWerks and explain the
situation and get a new activation code. This in itself is moderately
frustrating but what /really/ worries me is that with MetroWerks' future
being somewhat uncertain (and the obvious fact that their support for
Mac will end completely in the not too distant future) there's a very
real possbility that people such as me with legacy CW projects will be
hosed if/when we need to move to a new machine and can no longer get a
new activation code ?

This is not tied to any machine so it should not require a second
license but even if Metrowerks goes away, Freescale will remain as will
the licensing department.
I hope that alleviates your concerns.

I'm not sure what's changed between 9.x and 10.0, but what I noticed
today was that while 9.x copied over to the new machine OK along with
its license.dat and everything was hunky dory, 10.0 complained and
needed to be re-activated. I can only guess that someone at MW made the
decision to beef up the activation mechanism on 10.0 so that it's tied
to a particualr machine ? Fortunately the nice people at
***@metrowerks.com sent me a new activation code in a timely fashion
but I can envision a time in the not too distant where there won't be
anyone to bail me out in a similar situation.

Regards,

Paul

[l***@skytag.com]

My license never worked, even though I only have one machine. Ron had
to send me one to get CW 10 to recognize it wasn't in demo mode. I
think they have a bug somewhere.

Larry

[Ron L]

Post by Paul Russell
I'm not sure what's changed between 9.x and 10.0, but what I noticed
today was that while 9.x copied over to the new machine OK along with
its license.dat and everything was hunky dory, 10.0 complained and
needed to be re-activated. I can only guess that someone at MW made the
decision to beef up the activation mechanism on 10.0 so that it's tied
to a particualr machine ? Fortunately the nice people at

What we are thinking now it has to do with CW 9 being installed and the
OS finding the wrong license.dat file. Did you have CW 9 installed on
the second system you installed on? We looked at the license and they
seem to be fine. We are working on it.

Post by Paul Russell
but I can envision a time in the not too distant where there won't be
anyone to bail me out in a similar situation.

Although the name Metrowerks has gone in favor of CodeWarrior there
should be a license department at Freescale for many years to come.

Ron

[Paul Russell]

Post by Ron L
What we are thinking now it has to do with CW 9 being installed and the
OS finding the wrong license.dat file. Did you have CW 9 installed on
the second system you installed on? We looked at the license and they
seem to be fine. We are working on it.

Yes, I had 9.6 and 10.0 installed and working on the old system and I
copied them both over together to the new system at the same time. 9.6
worked OK but 10.0 claimed that it needed to be activated again.

I have to say that I can't understand why 10.0 would be finding 9.6's
license file though - the license.dat file is in a specific place in the
relevant CW directory so I can't see how they would get confused ?

Post by Ron L
Although the name Metrowerks has gone in favor of CodeWarrior there
should be a license department at Freescale for many years to come.

I hope so. I imagine that I'll probably need to use CW from time to time
for the next 2 - 3 years, maybe longer. I guess if/when MetroWerks
closes down copletely somebody with the relevant reverse engineering
skills will find a way to defeat the license mechanism so that people
can go on using CW if they need to.

Regards,

Paul

[Ron L]

Post by Paul Russell
I have to say that I can't understand why 10.0 would be finding 9.6's
license file though - the license.dat file is in a specific place in the
relevant CW directory so I can't see how they would get confused ?

It is finding some cache using a generic license fixes the problem.

Post by Paul Russell
I hope so. I imagine that I'll probably need to use CW from time to time
for the next 2 - 3 years, maybe longer. I guess if/when MetroWerks
closes down copletely somebody with the relevant reverse engineering
skills will find a way to defeat the license mechanism so that people
can go on using CW if they need to.

Metrowerks is Freescale and it is a growing business there is no need to
worry about the licensing mechanism

Ron

[l***@skytag.com]

This in itself is moderately frustrating but what /really/ worries me is that
with MetroWerks' future being somewhat uncertain

They killed MW as a legal entity, took down the sign and had a wake.
What exactly is uncertain? ;-)

Larry

[Paul Russell]

Post by l***@skytag.com

This in itself is moderately frustrating but what /really/ worries me is that
with MetroWerks' future being somewhat uncertain

They killed MW as a legal entity, took down the sign and had a wake.
What exactly is uncertain? ;-)

Sorry - it's the British tendecy towards understatement. ;-)

Paul

[Ron L]

Post by l***@skytag.com

This in itself is moderately frustrating but what /really/ worries me is that
with MetroWerks' future being somewhat uncertain

They killed MW as a legal entity, took down the sign and had a wake.
What exactly is uncertain? ;-)

That was a tongue in cheek wake a reason to have a party. Metrowerks
still lives and indeed this release is a Metrowerks brand.

But the future of CodeWarrior for Mac is not uncertain this is the last
version and will only be sold for a limited time. This is a version
designed just to be low cost and give everyone that has a project made
with CodeWarrior a chance to bring it up to the latest release and make
it as stable as possible.

While this isn't a gift to the developers community we do not expect to
make money on this release. We are trying to do what is right for our
customers that have been loyal for many years. If this hasn't been
expressed clearly I apologize.

Ron

[Rod Dorman]

Post by Ron L
...
But the future of CodeWarrior for Mac is not uncertain this is the last
version and will only be sold for a limited time. ...

How limited is "for a limited time"?

There's no mention of a time limit on
http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Desktop/mac10

[Ron L]

Post by Rod Dorman

Post by Ron L
...
But the future of CodeWarrior for Mac is not uncertain this is the last
version and will only be sold for a limited time. ...

How limited is "for a limited time"?

the plan is to discontinue this in the spring of next year, at that time
we will stop sales totally. We will discontinue direct support before
that time. This should not be news to anyone.

Post by Rod Dorman
There's no mention of a time limit on
http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Desktop/mac10

I'll post a notice at least 3 months before we discontinue sales.

Ron

[Paul Russell]

Post by Ron L

Post by Rod Dorman

Post by Ron L
...
But the future of CodeWarrior for Mac is not uncertain this is the last
version and will only be sold for a limited time. ...

How limited is "for a limited time"?

the plan is to discontinue this in the spring of next year, at that time
we will stop sales totally. We will discontinue direct support before
that time. This should not be news to anyone.

Post by Rod Dorman
There's no mention of a time limit on
http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Desktop/mac10

I'll post a notice at least 3 months before we discontinue sales.

Does that mean there won't be a 10.1 ?

Paul

[l***@skytag.com]

What would you expect them to do for a 10.1 release? 10.0.1 maybe, but
don't expect 10.1. This is a dead end product. The only reason we have
it at all as far as I can tell is that they had already done a lot of
it when Apple announced the switch to Intel, so they decided to finish
what they could and sell it cheap. They'll probably fix some bugs, but
that's about it.

Larry

[Paul Russell]

Post by l***@skytag.com
What would you expect them to do for a 10.1 release? 10.0.1 maybe, but
don't expect 10.1. This is a dead end product. The only reason we have
it at all as far as I can tell is that they had already done a lot of
it when Apple announced the switch to Intel, so they decided to finish
what they could and sell it cheap. They'll probably fix some bugs, but
that's about it.

I don't care what the version number is, but I would like to see majpr
bugs fixed (including the broken license activation code, which should
probably be removed altogether) before they finally pull the plug.

Paul

[l***@skytag.com]

That's not a 10.x release, that's a 10.0.x release. You asked about a
10.1 version, which would be more than bug fixes. What you care about
notwithstanding, it would be useful if you asked what you really wanted
to know, and what you wanted to know if there will be additional
releases to fix bugs. I expect they will be willing to fix bugs for at
least a few months, so more than ever if you see a bug you want fixed,
report it ASAP and definitely don't wait for someone else to report it.

Larry

[Ron L]

Post by Paul Russell
Does that mean there won't be a 10.1 ?

There is none planned, but then updates are never planned are they.

Ron

[Christian Schmitz]

Post by Ron L
the plan is to discontinue this in the spring of next year, at that time
we will stop sales totally. We will discontinue direct support before
that time. This should not be news to anyone.

Well, can you still keep a copy on a public ftp server with a free
activation code?

I don't really like the idea of being without a working compiler
somewhere next year.

PS: And you may look for my email to ***@metrowerks.com as I need a
new activation code.

Mfg
Christian

[l***@skytag.com]

I burned a CD with a copy of the disk image. If you have a working
license I'd put that on there too.

Larry

[Ron L]

Post by Christian Schmitz

Post by Ron L
the plan is to discontinue this in the spring of next year, at that time
we will stop sales totally. We will discontinue direct support before
that time. This should not be news to anyone.

Well, can you still keep a copy on a public ftp server with a free
activation code?

Probably not, for several reasons.

Post by Christian Schmitz
I don't really like the idea of being without a working compiler
somewhere next year.

Be sure to archive the license.dat file

Post by Christian Schmitz
new activation code.

Write to desktop, or license not sales. That address should have been
changed sales will get you a reply but not as quickly as desktop or
license.

Ron

[Ron L]

Post by Paul
Where did you get it? MW's website doesn't seem to be updated yet (couldn't
find it under Downloads or Desktop tools, at least.)

It is on the store, we are updating the Mac web page but that may take
a bit.
The free one isn't appearing yet but will soon.

If you have web caching on be sure to refresh the page.

http://store.metrowerks.com

Post by Paul
Is CW10 any more stable than CW9? I had a lot more trouble with 9 than 8,
was hoping for things to improve.

If you have more problems with CW 9 than CW 8 you probably have
something set up incorrectly. There was a bug in framework access paths
in CW 8 that would cause problems in CW 9 when you updated a project it
could be something like that. (just guessing without knowing the exact
problem).

Ron

[Don Bruder]

Post by Ron L
CodeWarrior Development Studio for Mac OS v10
Available only as a Download version has two versions
A free Special Edition allows for students and hobbyist to use
CodeWarrior with a limited usage license, with no technical support
The CodeWarrior Professional download is only $99 (plus shipping and
handling

<snip>

OK, I *HAVE* to know...

What miserable money-grubbing sack of crap came up with the idea of
charging "shipping and handling" fees for something that the buyer is
going to do all the work of "shipping and handling" to get???

[l***@skytag.com]

Post by Don Bruder
What miserable money-grubbing sack of crap came up with the idea of
charging "shipping and handling" fees for something that the buyer is
going to do all the work of "shipping and handling" to get???

The shipping and handling is free, so you can stop being indignant now.
;-)

Larry

[Ron L]

Post by Don Bruder

Post by Ron L
CodeWarrior Development Studio for Mac OS v10
Available only as a Download version has two versions
A free Special Edition allows for students and hobbyist to use
CodeWarrior with a limited usage license, with no technical support
The CodeWarrior Professional download is only $99 (plus shipping and
handling

<snip>
OK, I *HAVE* to know...
What miserable money-grubbing sack of crap came up with the idea of
charging "shipping and handling" fees for something that the buyer is
going to do all the work of "shipping and handling" to get???

There is no shipping and handling fee. I did not know if our
fulfillment house had a charge or not when I wrote that.

Ron

[Don Bruder]

Post by Ron L

Post by Don Bruder

Post by Ron L
CodeWarrior Development Studio for Mac OS v10
Available only as a Download version has two versions
A free Special Edition allows for students and hobbyist to use
CodeWarrior with a limited usage license, with no technical support
The CodeWarrior Professional download is only $99 (plus shipping and
handling

<snip>
OK, I *HAVE* to know...
What miserable money-grubbing sack of crap came up with the idea of
charging "shipping and handling" fees for something that the buyer is
going to do all the work of "shipping and handling" to get???

There is no shipping and handling fee. I did not know if our
fulfillment house had a charge or not when I wrote that.
Ron

Hokay, I can buy that explanation.

The concept of "shipping and handling" being charged on a downloaded
software package strikes me as being quite possibly the most blatantly
slime-bagish thing I've ever encountered.

[George Touchstone]

Does this release address the problem where, for various reasons, the
debugger declines to display source code?

See thread of 13 July 05 titled "No source visible in debugger"
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior/browse_frm/thread/b3686882cf1c7946>

Thanks,

George Touchstone
Sacramento Software Works

[Herb Davis]

Ron in the help it talks about using "Makefile Importer Wizard" to
create a project. I followed the steps but do not see that anywhere,
where can I get access to that?

Herb

[Ron L]

Post by Herb Davis
Ron in the help it talks about using "Makefile Importer Wizard" to
create a project. I followed the steps but do not see that anywhere,
where can I get access to that?

this is a bug in the help it does not apply to Mac products

Ron

[Fray Editor]

Pleaaase! For Mac OS v10??? Why pay when Apple's tools are free! Not only
that, CW was always a piece of shit... I remember the old days... it
generated crap, not code....

Post by Ron L
CodeWarrior Development Studio for Mac OS v10
Available only as a Download version has two versions
A free Special Edition allows for students and hobbyist to use
CodeWarrior with a limited usage license, with no technical support
The CodeWarrior Professional download is only $99 (plus shipping and
handling and applicable taxes) and will allow all former Macintosh
developers to update and archive their Mach-O and CFM/ PEF projects.
Detailed Features
General
* Mac OS X hosted
* Targets: Mac OS X (Mach-O) and Classic Mac OS (PEF)
* PowerPlant X C++ Framework for Mac OS X development with Carbon
Events, HIViews and Unicode support
Integrated Development Environment (IDE)
* Text-based xml projects (optional via user preference)
* Packager support updated so that it is no longer necessary to
make changes for packaging in multiple targets - added ability to have a
master packaging target to perform common package actions
Power Plant
* PPx can now directly deal with .nib files
* PPx can deal with SearchField, SegmentedView, TextView
(HIView-savvy replacement for MLTEView), and UserPane
* New PPx wrappers for CGClorSpace, CGDataProvider, and CGImage
* Enhanced support for the DataBrowser control
* PPxNavServices allows the addition of custom filter and preview
callbacks
* PowerPlant, PowerPlant X, and Constructor will be put into open
source.
C/C++ PowerPC Compiler 4.0
* New interprocedural analysis (IPA) for file level or whole
program optimizations
* Modified inliner for true bottom-up inlining when using IPA
* Improved template instantiation error messages
* Updated POD detection to conform to C++03 standard
* Support for out-of-line defined partial class template
specializations
Metrowerks Standard Library 11.0
* Implemented "safer" (a.k.a. "secure") library extensions being
proposed by the C0x working group
* Added a number of common POSIX reentrant functions for PEF
programming (asctime_r, ctime_r, localtime_r, gmtime_r, rand_r,
readdir_r, strerror_r, strtok_r)
* Uses a couple more Mach-O system functions for faster memcpy,
memmove, memset, memchr, and memcmp
* Mach-O Dynamic library for MSL C & MSL C++
* Fix for static destructors not working from bundles - even when
building with BSD C or using the gcc compiler
* Added ability to use move semantics (rvalue reference) for
drastic (revolutionary!) performance increases
* Added <bind> and mem_fn from the C++ TR1 addendum
* When using MSL C++ on top of BSD C (Mach-O), the standard MSL
C++ headers import items from the global namespace into the std
namespace
System Requirements
- Mac OS X v10.2.x or newer
- PowerPC G3 or greater (G4 recommended)
- 128 MB RAM
- 800 MB recommended for full installation
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[l***@skytag.com]

Post by Fray Editor
Pleaaase! For Mac OS v10??? Why pay when Apple's tools are free!

Idiots ask questions like this. Amorized over a year's time or so, the
cost of a pre-10 CW update was < $1/day, which is insignificant to a
professional wanting to use the most productive tool he can. I'm not
advocating that people buy CW this late in the game, but the cost over
the years has been well worth it to me to have something that is easier
to use, compliles much faster, and has a superior STL for C++. A free
tool I don't enjoy using is no bargain. The only real issue with paying
for CW10 is that it appears to be completely unsupported.

Post by Fray Editor
Not only that, CW was always a piece of shit... I remember the old days... it
generated crap, not code....

I have no idea why you would post this, but it's only a bad reflection
on you, not MW or CW. CW was the standard for Mac development for many
years. Even Apple used until they came up with PB/Xcode. I still
haven't heard anyone claiming that GCC generates better code. There are
good reasons CW has met its demise, but the quality of the code it
generated was not one of them.

Larry